Can Body Positive & Fitness Enthusiasts Find Middle Ground?


In an effort to not have challenging conversations in this day and age It’s like when you do you like whatever’s best for you. But then what if best for you is actually harmful to yourself and/or others My Health is a top priority in my life You never know how bad you feel Until you start feeling better than you’ve ever felt in your life and I’ve been on both ends of the spectrum and damn it’s very different to now being like Really focused on the mind body and soul like really having all parts just as equal as the other For me, I am a cancer survivor And so my entire life now is about making sure that I have a life, you know to continue So yeah I was diagnosed with lymphedema at age 3 which affects the circulation For me through my legs and feet. So health for me has always been at the top of my mind because if I don’t take care of my body like my I could have an amputated foot or leg So it’s nothing that I play around with all of my family almost has suffer from diabetes, heart disease and stuff like that So that’s why I’m extra conscious about my health because I don’t want to come down with any of those diseases I have a regular workout routine I’ve been working out consistently since I was 19 years old I used to work out two hours a day, but then I realized that’s way too long so now my workout session that would wait for about 45 minutes and then The rest is stretching and cardio and I spent a lot of time stretching because it allows me to get in the zone Kind of like a meditation of sorts It’s all mental, like, I go to the gym or workout or do something kind for my body in forms of movement every day Because it keeps me sane. Like if I don’t go there then I feel like something’s missing. And I get a little bit depressed Singing all by myself back there. I was going to the gym regularly every day, for like, six months and then my life shifted I lost my father a lot of things happened in my life that umm threw off my whole routine and so the point when when I was going to the gym so regularly I felt like my brain felt happier like I’ve gotten that feeling back in other ways I have no desire in me to change my body in any way. I like my buckets a little bigger. No, no, not at all See this is where we’re gonna get because I will tell you not every big person wants to be small I am conscious about what I eat My mom had me in Weight Watchers in junior high. Like so my relationship with food and what I’m putting into my body has been like completely- can we curse? Fucked up like since the very beginning. I’ve had a severe sugar addiction since I was a kid and like the binge eating like it makes you feel like everything- I can’t have this. This is an enemy. So when I see it, like you have it I’m like, oh, I want to eat it all. Every day, I wake up. I have a green smoothie I’m always very conscious of like what I’m putting into which I think is- I’m going to say the controversial statement. I think is something that people would never think is true based off the size of my body There’s so much studies that are coming out like in terms like your microbiome, like the microbiome that you have like you can literally eat green smoothies and eat like everything you’re supposed to be eating, and not lose the weight because we have an imbalance in your microbiome and like and then people who are thin, they’re just really thin but they eat McDonald’s every day But they don’t realize is how much they’re clogging their arteries and they die of heart attacks more than quote-unquote big people. I received negative feedback about my body growing up I would have people, like some family members be like “Oh, you look a little heavier than you did last year” and then other family members that were a lot more direct like “When are you going to lose the weight?” and it’s been like that I would say my whole life and then we got to a point where I was getting compared to my little sister who’s like beautiful and thin and it’s like- it is so hard not to compare yourself to other people It is so hard to have a healthy relationship with food and with fitness and just with other people and it became so difficult to break out of that and to really love who I am inside. My stepmom would take, like, if I had a wrapper of chips like in my room like she would put it on top of like, my dresser and say like “I’m not the reason why you’re fat, this is” like it was all very like but it was super crazy psychological because I was like, we’ve never even discussed this before I’m from Texas. We all eat soul food. So everybody was eating the same shit food So with my mom 250 pounds, my brother 350 pounds But I saw that I was eating the exact same foods and I didn’t even know until I got around Los Angeles, health conscious people. I’m like “What? What you mean to tell me you don’t have freaking bacon cheeseburger every single day?” I didn’t know So when you got to like- what triggered it in your head that said “Oh this to me is the right way for me to look now?” I wanted to be a model the idea that you wanted to become a model and the only idea of model to you, meant being thin or fit or whatever that beat means, all I saw because it wasn’t as popular like plus-size wasn’t popular back then We’re not, it’s 18 years old It’s definitely not popular But it’s still it’s still opened up way more than The conversation I will say is much more broad now I feel like we’re we’re able to talk about these things a lot easier now than we were before but What the actual way that the industry treats plus-sized models is totally different This question makes me very passionate. This is really big for me because I’ve been like, come forth, from other body-positive influencers But I feel like that messages as other people put out are very dangerous to a young woman who thinks that it’s okay I don’t care what size you are It’s not okay to sit and eat cheeseburgers and ice cream all day, like that has nothing do with your size I think there’s a difference between acceptance and agreement So like you can accept your body and be in disagreement with the health situation that you have, right? We hear fit experts always saying “Be skinny, lose weight!” That’s the healthy way to do it But we never say- at least we don’t say “be fat because it’s better for your heart” or “it’s better for your soul” It’s better for your you I’m gonna say even what you just said like body acceptance versus body agreement like to you you might see one of us and be like Oh, they love their- accept their bodies, but I’m sure they don’t agree with what it looks like I mean, I wouldn’t know unless I talked with someone but like whatever the numbers like whatever like is coming up in terms of like, you know, when you go to the doctor, like at the end of the day But even as fit people, when you see a person who is overweight or fat or obese, however you whatever term you want to use What’s the first thing happens in your head? Do you think like “Oh, like it’s great that they accept themselves, but they could use to lose weight” or what is your first thought? My very first thought; no one’s like born that way. So you you like there’s habits and things that you observe But you actually can be born with that . We could eat the exact same thing and be 2 different people Parenting and stuff like that. I didn’t really know what to expect today I didn’t know how the body positive individuals were gonna come across I didn’t know if they were for a healthy lifestyle or not But I think it’s beautiful that you guys acknowledge how important it is to keep yourself healthy Do I feel like there are people in the body positive community that say “Well, I’m just happy being fat and I’m just gonna lay down and just do that.” Yeah, absolutely Absolutely. I Fat pride, hashtag fat pride is like was something that was going on. It’s just funny big buzzword everyone You said something at some point that body positivity and like health and stuff is different. Like is that what everybody? Thanks The actual body positive community was created to give a platform to bodies that have been marginalized in our society. That’s what it was actually created for, big body, big disabilities What are you different races and I want to scream because I’m like “actually this is not meant for you this is meant for bodies who who don’t have a voice.” The fitness community is the reason why the body positive community exists and I think that as a community, it’s important for you guys to be a little bit more inclusive. People come up to me I think we really did find a middle ground But we did I think we all realize it. It’s like not it’s not this line. That’s Riding it you go out Hey guys. Jason from Jubilee here. We hope you enjoyed another episode of Middle Ground Honestly, this is one of our favorite series to make and we hope you enjoyed too Let us know in the comments below what you think about this issue and if you agree or disagree with anyone? 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100 Replies to “Can Body Positive & Fitness Enthusiasts Find Middle Ground?”

  1. jubilee!! you should do a video on asian parents who believe mental health is not real and mental health therapists!!

  2. Yeeeeaaa, i think we could ALL tell the body positive ones from the fitness enthusiasts before you made them go to the rightful corners … 😂

  3. Im sorry, and i shouldn't focus on this, but I cannot help but get distracted by the lady in pink's breasts… They are near her belly button…

  4. Fitness enthusiasts ALL DAY > Body “Obese excuse” positives.

    Look at what at all these body positive peoples ave in common 😂

  5. I’m trying to spread positivity. If anyone needs someone to talk to or just vent to please message me on Instagram I am here to help. IG: xoxo_dreaa_

  6. Body positivity (for me at least) was created and is about people who don’t have the ‘ideal body’. Not for ‘bigger bodies’.

  7. No one's bringing up the obvious. The more feminine or effeminate people emphasize image. The masculine, just health & self-gratification. It's clear that the feminine folks cannot strive without company, and that's holding them back. "Body positive" is MADE UP. Just get healthy & prolong your life. You've a duty to your body, not your ego.

  8. i wish they had had some body positivity people that were really skinny, bc skinny people get crap about their bodies too. also if the fitness enthusiasts had had a skinny person too, or at least someone that wasn’t super buff

  9. I don't like how Carmen says that body positivity is not for fit people. I workout a lot and love eating healthy but It's really hard for me to put on muscle, people don't really think I can do what I do, I'm underestimated (a lot) and sometime it's really frustrating . We may be fit but we still have insecurities, we all are unique and for me Body positivity is about helping you to accept yourself as you are, fit or not ..

  10. The body positivity movement was created so that little girls didn't starve themselves to death, not so that people think it's ok to weigh 500 pounds.

  11. "I work out every day" honey I dont think you'd be being captured by the Asians for oil if you were going to the gym.

  12. "Body positivity is inclusive"

    "No, body positivity isn't for people who actualy care about their bodies"

    Make up your mind.

  13. Just gonna put it out there (don’t come for me) being overweight is not good. You can love your body but in the future you’ll get sick easier and gain health problems.The body positivity side kept saying how people are like “You have to be skinny or fit”. Being healthy, having a good mindset , and exercising is GREAT for you and the outcome is losing weight and being thinner or more muscular. You’ll rarely come across an individual who does all these things and watches how MUCH they eat and are overweight or bigger.
    Soon “Body Positivity” is going to come across as advertising obesity.

  14. Of course you can just be healthy that’s all I think people need is to be healthy in all ways and I feel like everyone (the plus size) keep being in defence all the time and it’s getting annoying

  15. Big dude talked the whole time. Just going off things that were said to him by mediocre people in the past and slight emotional ranting. Hard to watch Because he wasn't contributing any solutions just griping. Took away from others like they had something to do with his past experiences

  16. Body positivity is a wonderful movement though I do think that it really only extends to people who eat a good diet and get a healthy amount of exercise, I do not believe that it extends to people who sit at home and eat a god awful diet because they aren’t putting in the work to live a healthy lifestyle.

  17. Thing is, it’s hard cos u don’t want to encourage obesity cos it’d be like encouraging anorexia. But u should still be body positive because just cos you look big it doesn’t mean ur not healthy.

  18. I didnt even know “body positive” was a thing, sorry but youre not body positive when youre treating your body negatively, theres nothing even remotely positive about having zero discipline and treating your body like a fuckin trashcan, all these fatties could easily lose all that weight if they had discipline and actually stepped out of their comfort zones and do something about it, they should be called the body negative people

  19. Look, dress, act the way you want. But, if you're obese or underweight and you try to make that positive, thats unhealthy. Everyone should aim to be healthy. Im all for plus size models! I love THAT kind of positivity, where larger than the typical model is showcased. But they are still healthy, they dont laze around and get huge.

  20. “Body positive” doesn’t mean “I’m unhealthy and want people to accept and praise me”. The movement was created for people who suffer disease, disability, amputation, things they CANNOT change. To raise awareness for all BODIES in a POSITIVE light. Not for people who eat Burger King every day.

  21. The super kind guy with the blue tank top is a great listener and acknowledges the others. I love that. He has a Youtube Channel @Damon Divine

  22. I don’t understand how the body positivity people say they have a workout routine or are conscious of what they eat but are still the size they are. It just doesn’t add up, you wouldn’t be as big if you actually did these things

  23. The plus size people here actually some health reason that interferes with their ability to loose weight. They don’t reflect the real people who are plus size.

  24. Having Lymphedema sucks!!! She isn’t overweight. She has water retentions in her legs. There are still rude comments about her body although she told everyone that she has a chronicle illness.

  25. It's easy for blue shirt guy to say they found a middle ground when his side of the argument spoke more and wasn't cut off by the Jubilee people

  26. jubilee- just letting you know people will watch these videos still if they’re longer!! we want to hear what everyone has to say!!

  27. I can say that this 2 groups have one thing in common they all sweaty in thsi clip, it's like they are being fried in an oven lmao

  28. This was actually.. more on the disappointing side and felt more inclined to the favor of the "Body positivity enthusiasts". When you deal with distorted eating patterns or struggle with body dysmorphia.. "Body positivity enthusiasts" can send them down a dangerous path by only telling them to do what validates everything that may be considered detrimental to their own health (to obtain the body of their dreams). When a belief is interfering with actual hard-proof science and medicine, it could be just as lethal as someone prescribing the wrong dosage of medication to a terminally ill patient. At the end of the day, there's nothing healthy about clogged arteries, cholesterol overload, or malnourishment. Please redo this video….

  29. my blood boiled when they cut off the last guy, he was so attentive in the conversation and listened so well and i would have loved to hear what he had to say

  30. I think everyone should have body positivity. Regardless of your size. However we need to take care of our bodies and being overweight causes a plethora of health issues.

  31. Your body doesn't care that you have a "green smoothie" every morning if you stuff your face with fast food/caloric dense food the rest of the day…

    Group think is never productivity to reality when the "sensitive" are given the higher ground.

  32. I take issue with the statement that the fitness community is why the body positivity movement started. It was fashion, TV, movies, magazines, etc that marginalized different bodies more than any other community (lumping all those into the same community). Paralympic athletes, black and Latino athletes, etc have been celebrated in part bc of their fitness prowess…meaning that the fitness community helped de-marginalize these groups before this social media movement

  33. god why is that girl wearing that low cut top it’s just ugh girl you could find shirts that actually fit you 🤦🏼‍♀️

  34. Wtf I really wanted to hear what that last guy wanted to say. We're meant to hear all sides of the discussion and he couldn't speak much, let him finish at least??

  35. I love this series so much. Everyone gets an equal voice, and the channel’s bias is never stated. You get to listen to everyone’s opinion and form your own. Also, I love how they all hug at the end.

  36. lmfaoo …… i have nothing but respect for people that are fit. it's hard. to eat what u want n say "haah ! body postive!! >:V" — that seems…easier to me? but yall wtffffff is thisssss. why these ppl in d e n i a l about the fact that it, in no way– is healthy to be huge.

  37. Why do they make working out to such an appearance based thing, when it should be about health? The body positive man says he doesn't want to work out because he likes his body the way it is, but that shouldn't have anything to do with working out, because it is about health. And also I hate that they chose such stereotypical people.

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